Aflam lucruri noi, pentru noi, despre UH-1Y:
“The IDAS (Improved Defensive Armament Subsystem) is rated for a 1,000-pound payload; however, the IDAS mounting lugs on the airframe are limited to a weight of 571 pounds. The mounting lug weight limitation inhibited flexibility in configuring mission weapon load outs and did not allow the users to realize the full capability of the IDAS.
For example, during the Offensive Air Support (OAS) missions, the UH-1Y had the power to lift two fully loaded 19-shot rocket pods. The IDAS mounting lug weight limitation restricted the pods to only 11 rockets a piece. If the mounting lugs could support the full capability of the IDAS an additional 16 rockets could be carried, resulting in an increase of firepower from 22 to 38 rockets which would lead to improved support of the Marine on the ground. The IDAS weight limitation also affected the use of external auxiliary fuel tanks. Because of the IDAS mounting lug weight limitation, the 77-gallon tank could not be fully fueled and, therefore, yielded only 4 to 17 minutes more on-station time than internal tanks alone.”
“The small amount of on-station time gained did not offset the loss of weapons stations. Additionally, the external tanks severely reduced the forward and aft depression limits of the crew served weapons and created an obstacle for troops entering and exiting the cabin for assault support missions where troops needed to exit and enter the cabin rapidly. The overall effect was that flexibility was lost during mission planning and mission execution.”
“The new Common Crash Resistant Troop Seat System (CCRTSS) inhibits the ability of the aircrew to close cabin doors. The CCRTSS was designed to attenuate crash g-load, but the larger CCRTSS structure moved seated troops four to five inches farther away from the bulkhead than legacy seating. Missions requiring movement of combat-loaded troops with the cabin doors closed will necessitate removal of the outboard facing transmission seats.
With the cabin loaded in the basic utility configuration of eight combat loaded Marines with seats installed, the crew chief could not fully access and traverse crew-served weapons due to the proximity of the Marines seated next to the door guns.”Sursa: UH1-Y – Benefits and Deficiencies, Brandon J. Oates
Problemele sint confirmate si intr-un raport pentru Congresul american asupra programului de modernizare al UH-1Y iar la capitolul Recomandari se gaseste o lista lunga de lucruri de rezolvat, unele mai importante, altele mai putin:
The Navy should consider these recommendations for improvement:
Operational Effectiveness
- On a priority basis, replace the rotor blade cuffs to eliminate the maneuvering restrictions at high gross weights and high altitudes. Expand the flight envelope to the required limits.
- Improve weapons delivery accuracy with the Optimized Top Owl system.
- Increase load capacity of mounting point for Improved Defensive Armament System so that the full 1,000 pounds can be carried. For crew-served weapons, the Navy should address the gun depression angle limitation imposed by the Improved Defensive Armament System.
Operational Suitability
- Complete analysis and redesign of rotor cuffs for improved structural integrity, decreased life-cycle costs, and increased aircraft maneuverability. In the interim, improve approaching g-limit warning systems and training in order to reduce focused pilot attention on g-meter during maneuvering flights.
- Improve human factors (neck strain and cord management) of the Optimized Top Owl system and provide a helmet test set and complete documentation.
- Complete electromagnetic environmental effects testing to resolve shipboard compatibility issues.
- Resolve the issue of clearance between the cyclic control and the left seat pilot’s leg.
- Reduce excessive cockpit heat as a result of an expanded avionics suite.
- Address inadequate ballistic eye coverage for the helmet-mounted sight display.
- Improve training and documentation for Optimized Top Owl system procedures, Advanced Memory Unit trouble-shooting codes, and structural repair, schematics, and transportability manuals.
Survivability
- Conduct end-to-end testing of Aircraft Survivability Equipment.
- Test the main rotor gearbox, if an improved version is incorporated, in a full-up system-level test.
Vulnerability Deficiencies
- Redesign of transmission housing.
- Consider self-seal material to full height of fuel cells.
- Ensure adequate self-sealing of fuel bladders per Mil Standard T 27422.
- Consider adding fire extinguishing system as backup to current powder panels in dry bays.
- Add fire suppression/extinguishing system to main transmission bay
- Investigate methods for suppressing/extinguishing fires in oil cooler bay
- Consider adding backup fire extinguishing bottles in engine bay.
- Consider reducing vulnerability of main rotor actuators.
- Consider relocation/redesign of forward flare buckets.
- Exclude combustion products from flares ignited by threat from occupied spaces and flammable materials
Sursa: USMC H-1 Upgrades (UH-1Y)
Intrebarea e daca deficientele au fost rezolvate sau nu, din 2009 pana acum. Pentru ca e bine sa poti inchide usile cabinei sau sa poti folosi mitraliera de bord.
Pana sa avem raspunsul la intrebarea asta, aflam si cum a castigat UH-1Y contractul pentru USMC in locul UH-60:
“The Department of Defense Program Analysis and Evaluation Office initially projected UH-1N upgrades at $11.3 million per aircraft compared to $14.3 million per aircraft for the UH-60 Black Hawk. After initial contracting, the UH-1Y evolved into a new-build program at $19.4 million per aircraft but has survived several program cost reviews because of its 84% commonality with the AH-1Z. The proposed UH-60 Black Hawk currently costs $18.6 million per aircraft and provides robust capabilities across the Marine Corps rotary-wing aviation functional spectrum.”
Sursa: The Multipurpose Black Hawk Utility Helicopter: Rotary-wing Versatility Required for U.S. Marine Corps Enhanced Company Operations, Major Wade J. Dunford, USMC
Daca evaluarea s-ar fi facut comparand cifrele relevante, cele ale elicopterelor noi si nu ale unor modernizari care au fost pana la urma abandonate, UH-60 ar fi castigat si dupa criteriul pretului, pe langa cel al capacitatii de transport (12 vs 8 soldati complet echipati).
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Cele doua studii citate mai sus pot fi citite in detaliu aici:
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Un MoU. Ceva de genul asta a fost si intre Diehl si Elmec si n-a iesit (pana acum) nimic.
Nu mai plange ca n’avem noi fatza de AH64 si UH60, perechea AH1/UH1 ar face sens pt ca probabil se gandesc ca se scot mai ieftin la piese de schimb comune/mentenantza
Macar de le’ar cumpara si le’ar intretzine/zbura si p’alea…
UH-60 ar fi castigat si dupa criteriul pretului, pe langa cel al capacitatii de transport (12 vs 8 soldati complet echipati).
UH60 o fi fost mai eftin insa ai citat acolo clar, UH1 castigat din cauza asta: in timpul nemernicelor lor vietzi operatzionale e mai ieftin sa intretzii aproape acelasi tip de elicopter decat doua tipuri diferite
but has survived several program cost reviews because of its 84% commonality with the AH-1Z
A supravietuit =/= a castigat selectia . Odata ce l-au luat, avea sens sa continue dar selectia a fost facuta initial pe niste criterii care s-au dovedit mai tarziu gresite, cel putin asa se lasa sa se inteleaga de acolo. A castigat pe criteriul pretului, nu al “comonalitatii”. Ar fi castigat si daca ar fi fost mai scump? Nu stim.
Si supravietzuirea tot o victorie este 😀 , posibil sa fi furat startul cu pretzul initzial “mai mic” insa la reviews cel mai probabil pretzul luat in considerare a fost actualizat
S’au luat in considerare costurile operatzionale pe durata de viatza a flotei de AH1Z combinata cu UH1Y versus AH1Z combinata cu UH60 si programul a continuat in ciuda pretzului de achizitzie actualizat mai mare al aparatului
Daca a furat startul, greu il mai poti descalifica dupa asta.
Cat despre costurile operationale, nu stiu daca comonalitatea de 85% se traduce direct in costuri mai scazute. La prima vedere ar fi logic dar doar daca intretinerea UH-1Y e comparabila cu cea a UH-60. Daca e mai scumpa, atunci logica trebuie probata si cu niste cifre. Got some numbers?
Btw, despre faimosul procent de 85%: din ce? Din numarul total de piese, din costul pieselor, din volum, arie sau lungime?
cica termina livrarile de venoame end of 2018, d’aia tot prostesc p’aici…
insa daca stau dupa ai nostri cred ca se darama si hala si se vinde si terenul 😀 😀
The Venom and the Viper are based on the Vietnam-era family of Huey helicopters, the UH-1 Iroquois and the derivative AH-1 Cobra. The modern variants share 85 percent of their parts including a common tail boom, engines, rotor system, drivetrain, avionics architecture, software and controls.
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/bell-to-finish-marine-corps-deliveries-of-uh-1y-veno-448664/
Si cine plange dupa AH64?
Sa inteleg ca Y nu putea duce la momentul respectiv pe piloni nici cat ducea N-ul?
Sa nu mai vorbim de versiunea AS AB212, o mizerie care stia niste chestii…
http://www.aviationcorner.net/show_photo_en.asp?id=150260
http://www.zona-militar.com/zmfotos/helocoan/helocoan00008.jpg
Y putea (inca poate?) duce pe piloni tot atat cat N-ul desi aparatul este mai puternic si ar putea duce mai mult.
Dar asta e doar unul din neajunsuri, spatiul interior redus e o problema la fel de importanta.
Ce am vrut sa zic e ca la AB212 Marte era dus pe pilon:
https://www.wallpaperup.com/589233/AB_212ASW_military_helicopter_aircraft_f.html
iar masa unui Marte e 300-325kg in functie de versiune, deci cu ceva peste limita de 260kg din articol.
Ori AB212 avea modificari/ranforsari ori e altceva…
Cel mai probabil pe AB212 nu exista IDAS ci un alt sistem de prindere. Problema nu e la elicopter ci la punctul de prindere al IDAS.