March 26th, 2019 
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“Clubul” – Sursa: Wikipedia.org
Din ciclul: Cine se scoala de dimineata, cade singur in ea.
Daca am fi britanici am zice ca UE/Bruxellesul/Franta vor sa ne CONFISTE rachetele si sa ne IMPUNA rachetele lor cu curbura controlata.
Dar sintem romani asa ca facem misto.
Antoine Bouvier, CEO of MBDA told Jane’s, “We have an ambition to develop the MMP customer base in Europe. Maybe we are not so pleased that there is a non-European missile which is developing its position in Europe with user clubs, and so we have the ambition, with a better missile, to grow our position in Europe.”
Sursa: Jane’s
Each year, the “SPIKE Users Club” is convened in a different country in an event organized by NATO/NSPA, to give SPIKE users the opportunity to share their SPIKE experience and hear about new SPIKE developments.
Sursa: defense-aerospace.com
The 15th Annual Conference of the SPIKE Missile Users Club took place this year (2018) in Israel and was attended by around 100 senior representatives from 20 countries that have purchased or in process of evaluating the advanced missile system developed and manufactured by Rafael Advanced Defense Systems Ltd.
The SPIKE is a family of multi-mission, precise, electro-optical missiles. SPIKE missiles have been supplied to 29 countries around the world. These countries include Germany, Italy, Holland, Spain, Latvia, Lithuania, Slovenia, the UK, the Czech Republic, Poland, Romania, Peru, Chile, Colombia, Singapore, the Philippines, South Korea and more.
The SPIKE Club, hosted this year by the IDF, was established by NATO in cooperation with the IDF 14 years ago, and serves as a platform for international military gatherings in which the delegations share tactical knowledge, experience in training and operations, lessons learned, present to industry future operational needs and presented with future advanced capabilities of the SPIKE family.
Sursa: monch.com
Bouvier told Jane’s that the company “also has the ambition not only to sell our product but to support initiatives that our taken by our [European] countries. PESCO [Permanent Structured Cooperation] is not an industrial project or an industrial initiative, it is an initiative from [European] nations – and for this specific PESCO project, this is France, Belgium, and Cyprus.
Sursa: Jane’s
The new missile project offers an glimpse into PESCO’s nascent process for turning political ambitions into actual hardware made by national vendors. Such is the case here, says MBDA, which released a statement saying its MMP anti-tank weapon had been “endorsed” by the EU even though the official, one-paragraph project description makes no mention of a specific weapon.
Sursa: defensenews.com
Pe lista utilizatorilor de MMP se afla la acest moment decat Franta. Plictis mare in clubul ala.
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Vor sa ciugule si ei ceva ce numa evrei
Chestia e ca miezul productiei si utilizarii de Spike in Europa e chiar la nemti 🙂
Pe astia trebuie sa-i ademeneasca in primul rand francezii…
acu ca mai e si cold weather qualified…
sa o cumpere germanistanul, ca tot s’au reimprietenit la Aachen…
https://militaryleak.com/2019/03/21/mbda-mmp-is-cold-weather-qualified/
Cred ca ar trebui sa se uite in 2 directii:
1. Tarile cu parteneri MBDA: Italia + UK
2. Fostii utilizatori de Milan… nemtii si belgienii (au luat numar mic, deci ar exista loc si pentru altceva) au trecut pe Spike, englezii si australienii pe Javelin (care se pare ca poate atinge tinte si la 4,7km).
Britanicii nu cred ca vor inlocui in totalitate necesarul lor cu Javelin si in plus le plac chestiile fabricate la ei… asa ca sanse ar fi.
Spaniolii, nemtii, polonezii, italienii, olandezii, romanii, finlandezii, cehii, lituanienii, australienii tocmai ce au trecut pe Spike, sanse mici sa schimbe prea curand.
Ca si performante, Spike LR si MMP cantaresc tot spre 26 kg (tripod + racheta), raza de actiune tot pe la 5km, MMP pare putin mai puternica fiind acreditata cu penetrare +1000mm RHA, pe cand Spike LR e pe la 700mm, iar LRII se apropie de 900.
Posibi ca Spike LR sa fie mai ieftina… de vazut LRII.
Britanicii si-au inlocuit in totatlitate cerintele cu Javelin si il folosesc de mai bine de 15 ani. Au achizitionat in exces de 2.500 de rachete.Pentru MMP UK se incadreaza la categoria vise mari chiloti mici.
Depinde ce cerinte au in viitorul apropiat, pentru ca Spike si MMP stiu sa faca niste chestiii in plus pe care Javelin, mai specializata, nu stie:
– man in the loop;
– lock after launch;
– “Fire, Observe and Update”;
Mie cele doua tipuri de sisteme “portabile” imi par putin complementare.
Noi am cam ratat fereastra de oportunitate in care puteam produce rachete SR si MR ghidate SACLOS, bine mai ieftine decat astea (gen Bumbar / Eryx sau Skif/Shershen – beam riding)… sau poate mai exista o sansa.
Interesanta si evolutia de TOW, ghidata LASER: MAPATS.
Daca vroiau chestiile alea pe care Javelin nu le stie, luau Spike. Concluzia o tragi singur.
De acord cu daca vroiau, doar ca aia era acu’ 15 ani, dupa cum zice Alex. Amu’ poate vor si altceva, sau peste cativa ani.
Si la noi TR-85M1 inca era bun acum 15-20 de ani… doar la cativa ani dupa aia se gandeau la TR-2000… amu’ vor macar un batalion de Leo2.
La modul asta de a pune problema se poate specula orice, inclusiv ar putea sa cumpere si rachete chinezesti dar tot spre Javelin vor inclina pe motiv de logistica complementara si apropiere de SUA, nu de Franta. Poate ca in vreo 10 ani sa re-evalueze situatia dar si asa e de 2 bani speranta pentru francezi.
Bun, daca insisti… le intra in dotare 2 noi categorii de vehicule cu programul FRES si inca niciunul nu are integrata racheta antitanc… care, cand o fi sa fie, poate fi Javelin, sau altceva: Ajax si mai incolo Boxer.
https://www.janes.com/images/assets/503/65503/Ajax_uncovered_Detailing_the_British_Armys_latest_combat_vehicle_family.pdf
Poate se multumesc cu o integrare de Brimstone sau JAvelin. Poate nu…
Ajax PMRS (Ares) va intra in dotare la mijlocul anului in curs (Jane’s). Care are turela Kongsberg Protector. Care a fost testata deja cu Javelin. Chiar daca nu monteaza in mod curent Javelin pe turela, Ares-ul transporta echipe AT dotate cu… Javelin.
Si isi mai modernizeaza si IFV-urile Warrior cu turele noi. Care au fost si ele testate cu Javelin.
Adica s-au asigurat ca tot ce au in dotare poate suporta Javelin. Nu e nimic altceva in plan.
Bate vantul prin clubul MMP. Trist, foarte trist.
La englezoaice mai degraba chilotzi mari XXXL eventual neschimbatzi de o saptamana si vise mici spre deloc dupa ce se trezesc din betzie
Pana au terminat emiratezii racheta se terminase jihadul ca era piatza satula
Altfel fac pariu pe un capac de Pepsi ca or sa le vanda in large quantities prin Luxemburg, Andora, Monaco, Malta, Gibraltar
si cred ca am uitat sa mentzionez Liechtenstein 😀
Ai uitat San Marino…..
Cooorect!
Cred ca ar mai merge adaugat si Vaticanul 😀